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spey	humidity will effect your bamboo rod		Lead	[-]
Posts: 110 09/02/2008 00:37	Tags : None After a three month business trip to the Philippines I found out that air humidity will effect your bamboo rod! I took a bamboo fly rod with me made from a very well known maker 3 years ago never had problem with the rod. After 2 month of 30-35°c and 70-90% humidity ( every day some hours rain) the rod started to feel soft and get very easy a set. I never used it in the rain. It doesn't madder how good a rod is heat treated and how many varnish is one it humidity will effect your bamboo rod. I know that's extreme conditions but it will be also happens in a smaller scale. That shows me how important it is to store a rod on a very very dry place, what could be difficult depends where you live. Has some one made the same experience? Last Edited By: spey 09/02/2008 03:02. Edited 2 times.
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BobS		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 940 09/02/2008 15:54	Very interesting post, spey. Thank you. (I have not had that experience and don't want to have it. Cannot imagine living in that kind of climate. After 40 years, I have yet to get used to summers in Maryland.)
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DrLogik		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1511 09/02/2008 23:32	I would think that any blemish, scratch, nick etc in the finish would allow moisture to get in to the rod. I'd check your rod real close and see if there are any of those. It's pretty darn humid here in North Carolina and I've not noticed any particular performance degradation in my rods. I keep them capped and stored in my closet. During the summer months it typically ranges between 88% and 100% relative humidity. The temperatures range from low 80's to 100 degrees also. During the Dog Days of August we usually have a few 100/100 days... 100 degreees with 100% humidity so we'll rival pretty much any place in the world as far as that goes....and Columbia, SC is even worse!! Aside from that, I have no explanation other than, it's humid here to and I don't seem to have that problem with any of my rods...so maybe the moisture got into your od somehow. DrLogik.com
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gespliesste		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 313 09/03/2008 00:34	Varnish don't protect against humidity on long turns the bamboo will adjust to the surrounding humidity! Very interesting is what Cattanach is writing in his book about soft setting rods and moisture reentry. Is this so, a rod should have a crisper action in winter than in summer? Olaf Visit my Website www.handgespliesste.de
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levertonhatches		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 538 09/03/2008 09:37	DrLogik -- I live in Columbia, SC, and yup it's dang humid here. For that reason, as I've just described in another thread, I hang my cane rods in their bags to maximize air circulation. Some rods have been here with me for 25 years and none have gone floppy on me, or taken sets for that matter. Of course, during the dog days we run the a/c full time, and that reduces humidity. Cheers, (the other) Martin
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rlnunleycom		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 299 09/03/2008 10:03	There have been several tests done on this, some very controlled and scientific, some just shooting from the hip, but the results seemed to be very consistent. If a rod is properly tempered, it will only gain so much moisture, and I may be remembering the number wrong, but I believe it's 6%. If it's not properly tempered, it will gain a lot more than that. Proper tempering does make a physical change to the lignin (sp) in the bamboo that prevents it from retaining moisture like it would in it's natural state. At a number as low as 6% (or thereabouts), humidity gain should be almost unnoticable. I'm like DrLogik, I live in an area where the temp and humidity can get outrageously high and have had no problems with sets or change of action due to high humidity. For most of my 20+ years as a rodmaker, my shop was in the Arkansas River Valley, where on a hot summer day, the humidity was so high that if you went outside and took a deep breath, you could drown!!! No problems at that shop with the exception of applying varnish is very tough when the humidity is that high As gespliesste pointed out, varnish will NOT prevent moisture exchange. It slows it, but it won't prevent it. Your rod will acclamate to the current surroundings, as I said, within certain limits if properly tempered, so if a rod takes a set in a high humidity climate, then I'd think it was probably more the tempering method and not necessarily the natural course of things. Bob PS, SCOTT! Do you like that avatar pic better? No danger here unless someone gets hurt between mine and Kusse's rather robust bellies! R.L. Nunley Rodmaker Last Edited By: rlnunleycom 09/03/2008 10:07. Edited 1 time.
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greendrake ll	BOB RE: new avatar	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 837 09/03/2008 13:03	With The dark glasses it looks like a clandestine meeting between 2 mobsters(The bamboo cartel)....Will Last Edited By: greendrake ll 09/03/2008 13:07. Edited 1 time.
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Trout120		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 850 09/03/2008 17:19	Will impregnated rods do better with moisture exchange? Thanks, T120
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rlnunleycom		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 302 09/03/2008 17:54	Trout120 wrote: Will impregnated rods do better with moisture exchange? Thanks, T120 Absolutely! The method that I use to impregnate completely stops any moisture gain. Bob R.L. Nunley Rodmaker
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gespliesste		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 315 09/03/2008 21:11	I'm not to sure about this I know all least 4 people who found old production rods like Haddon and so, this where stored for a long time in a humidity environment like a basement, all this rods had a soft setting after they dried them for some month the soft setting disappeared. I don't know what this mean but this is actually what Cattanach describes in his book. Maybe because most people live in a humidity environment have a AC and AC makes a very dry air so the rod will be stored cool and dry and can always recover from a weekend outside. Besides if there is a reentry it will not happens in hours or days. If humidity not change the rod action than there is no match reason for impregnating. Olaf Visit my Website www.handgespliesste.de Last Edited By: gespliesste 09/03/2008 21:35. Edited 2 times.
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czkid	Tropics and Bamboo	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3592 09/03/2008 21:34 Moderator	My dad put in 38 years on the Panama Canal, most of it without airconditioning (25 cycle electricity). His collection of bamboo deep sea rods were never the worst for it. Like Nunley says... there's bamboo, and then there's bamboo...... Ralph
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ARTHURK		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 184 09/04/2008 04:45	Hi Spey, I have owned and fished bamboo rods in the very hot and humid equatorial climate of Singapore for about 4 years. My first rod, a Chris McDowell 2/1 209 taper for my daughter, is still arrow straight, looks pristine, and almost casts the entire 4wt flyline. I have since aquired and fished 23 cane rods both old and new, and all of them are great with no loss of flex or power. My fishing pal Charlie Wong has even built 5 tonkin cane rods from imported culms and they are just beautiful rods to cast and fish. His first rod, a blonde Garrison 209 caught fish up to 3kg if I'm not mistaken. I also fish some of my cane rods in the rain and saltwater at times and these special rods are also fine. So far the only difference is that the nickel silver hardware oxidises slightly faster (but gives a nice patina) and ferrules need the occassional wipe with alcohol to keep them smooth. My bamboo ferruled rods are a slight bit tighter due to expansion of the bamboo but I'm not complaining as it means the fit is really good! I do not keep my rods in an airconditioned room but in my study/rodmaking/flytying room which is bright and quite airy. The rods are wiped dry after fishing/rinsed down with water and wiped dry if fished in salt. They are also stored vertically with the cap off for a week and then with cap on to protect the rod thereafter ( I have two very cheeky kids). Many of the rods ( including a 1915 Leonard Catskill) are still as good as I first got them and many are like new even after some hard fishing. My limited experience tells me that the only way to keep the rods in tip-top condition is to avoid mold/mildew by keeping rods dry during storage, casting the rods with care ( do not shock and overpower the rod thereby damaging the fibres) and of course proper heat treatment ( the cane rods we make here for our own use are properly 'cooked' in the oven)... sometimes, I think that fishing all the rods in turn also helps as mold, cracking of varnish and sets occur through prolonged storage without shifting the rod's storage position and letting the varnish 'breathe'... You may want to send your rod back to the maker to find out the actual reason for the weakness. Tight loops, Arthur
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Berry Point		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 352 09/04/2008 10:32	I concur with the others who live and fish in hot and humid climates. I'm in the Persian Gulf and while many may not know it, this region has one of the highest combinations of heat and humidity in the world.........up to 120 degrees (50C) and 95% + humidity in the summer. Yep, we get used to it (well, not really.........!). Now I keep most of my rods at home in the US and Canada, but I do keep a couple here for the salt, and just in case for the elusive desert trout that are rumored to exist in Omani high mountain waters. Both remain arrow-straight. To keep the skills sharp I fish the salt with the heavier rod and practice lawn casting often with the lighter one, "just in case." Never a problem with varnish or warping issues due to the climate. One is impregnated and the other isn't. As Bob posted earlier on proper tempering, I'd have a chat with the maker. Tight lines.
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steeldog94	Impregnated Rods	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 79 09/05/2008 17:27	Given that impregnated bamboo rods are, well uh, impregnated with resin/plastic, they would hold up a lot better in a humid environment.
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freestoner		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 533 09/06/2008 12:29	What might help is to use sodium silicate crystals, which are commonly used to keep items dehumidified in shipping. They're often found in little enclosed bags, like tea bags. Toss one in the bottom of your rod tube and it should help.
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fishketcha		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 14 09/08/2008 10:45	Could this be another good reason to apply automotive clearcoat? Acrylic urethane clear is waterproof.
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