Favorite Payne Rod(s)

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (steeldog94) — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:37:38 GMT

My favorite Payne is a Custom Built 9' 3" Bamboo Payne Rod Marked "Special" and weighs 5 1/2 Oz. It is also the only Payne rod I own.

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (seattlesetters) — Mon, 26 May 2008 19:07:43 GMT

I've had very limited experience, but I absolutely loved the 101 and 204L that I've fished. Delicate rods that pleased the slow-action aficionado in me while still having the crispness and accuracy needed for dry-fly fishing. Beautiful tapers!

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (WatercolorMan) — Mon, 26 May 2008 18:38:50 GMT

MER it was nice to here you and Rolfs thoughts on the Brooks 100 rod. I have one and it is a great rod to fish. I also have his 201 and It's just great as well to fish. I don't have the real rods but it is nice to know that I may be fishing some rods that are close.

I noticed no one talked about the age and size of the cane or the glue and tempering yet. Also I've herd it said that no 2 cast the same ? but close ?
It is nice to here that people can match the tapers...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (Pentalux) — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:26:32 GMT

Just got back to this thread - thanks for all the replies. Not sure how it turned into a beveler vs. forms debate but if you are willing to wail on your forms you would be surprised what kind of taper variations can be produced - think SHIMS and MINI C CLAMPS -- I have made several experimental rods with micro drops and spikes placed at specific spots along the rods taper (primarily around the ferrule) and if you mike the rod at EITHER 3 or 5 inch intervals you WILL NOT detect the subtlety --...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (Al Nixon) — Sat, 10 May 2008 00:05:15 GMT

Oh, yeah. Realizing that I contributed to the hi-jacking of the topic of this thread, now I'll answer the original question: # 98. It was 39 years ago, and I was only 18 years old at the time, but if there ever was a rod that was well suited to an impatient, high strung teenager, that's it. I only hope it was as good as I remember ( I no longer have it).

I had a Payne 98 when I was 18. 18! Looking back, that's just wrong. Cost me 42 dozen dry...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (Al Nixon) — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:35:42 GMT

Here's one part of the test of how close planing forms can hit the 3-inch or 1-inch increment dimensions. A couple of us could do this and report our results: We use the dimensions for that #200 and set our forms to .5 of them at 5 inch increments. Use an extra fine Sharpie pen to mark the forms at 1-inch intervals (easily removed with alcohol). Then measure at each station with our depth gages, compare to the target dimensions and report our results, estimated to the 1/10-thousands....

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (john channer) — Fri, 09 May 2008 22:30:08 GMT

I just thought I would point out that while it's true that bevellers can be set to 1" increments, it's not entirely true that steel forms cut a series of straight lines. When you adjust one station more than the ones on either side of it you will get a curve in the bars rather than a kink, so when you set a taper that is anything other than an even increase in dimension you will get a series of waves , not zig zags(excuse the scientific language). This makes a hand planed taper...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (Horsesho) — Fri, 09 May 2008 15:09:58 GMT

The first 3 rods I planed were done on a set of straight V blocks I had made from the plans in AJ McClanes Fishing Encyclopedia. It took forever and was alot of micrometer work but they were accurate .

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Fri, 09 May 2008 14:55:08 GMT

I'd bet the handplaner would have a bigger smile when they're done.

Actually, going way back, pre Holden perhaps, weren't most of the "planing forms" actually shorter taper blocks with multiple grooves and you had to move the strip around to get the desired taper?

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (Horsesho) — Fri, 09 May 2008 14:46:55 GMT

"A good hand planer can do anything anyone with a saw or beveller can do" EXCEPT SMILE!

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (mvbrooks) — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:15:59 GMT

Not necessarily true. I have had the privilege to mic a lot of Payne's and most were compound tapers. And, they were not cut on 5" or 6" stations. Anyone with a planing form (Payne didn't even own one) can plane a compound taper by "slipping" the strips in the form. I have done this for "one off" rods and experimental tapers and know of several builder's who only plane and do this all the time...e.g. *plane* compound tapers. By moving the strip and...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (Soft Hackle) — Fri, 09 May 2008 11:29:27 GMT

I would bet that Harry is correct. I trust his experience and feel it very likely most trout rods other than parabolics are straight tapers, allowing for swelled butts of course.

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Fri, 09 May 2008 11:11:09 GMT

Ralph, Mike does a very nice job with Payne tapers. When we were out at Potter Cty (probably 3 years ago now) Rolf cast my Mike Brooks Payne100 against his original Payne 100; seems Mike pretty much nailed the rod.

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (kmgunn) — Fri, 09 May 2008 11:04:58 GMT

Thanks Harry. Communication is a two way street, and it sounds like some of the misinterpretation might have been on my end. Your most recent description also sheds some light on my earlier question. Some of the more aggressive tapers of the later Paynes have extreme changes in the tapers of the tip. Knowing that you were only referring to the lower sections helps me bridge the gap between my questions and your answers. If anyone has put a micrometer to a Payne parabolic, or Canadian Canoe...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (czkid) — Fri, 09 May 2008 11:03:48 GMT

It should be pretty obvious to all... but much of the foregoing discussion applies to other makers as well... in particular Young, and probably Orvis, etc. I'm surprised that Mike Brooks has not jumped in here. He has worked on a number of my rods and comments on the fact that there are some surprising "complex tapers" (as he calls the blanks cut on less than 5 inch centers). Mike is a big Payne fan, so I would hope he jumps in here with both feet.

Ralph

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (canerodscom) — Fri, 09 May 2008 10:53:28 GMT

kmgunn,

Sorry if that sounded condescending. I did not mean it that way at all. If it sounded that way, please forgive me.

And perhaps I painted with too broad a brush. Still, all the Payne tapers I have seen -- in the butt sections -- are largely straight tapers from the ferrule to swell. They aren't perfectly straight, but pretty close. And as almost straight tapers, as Mer says, it matters not whether they are cut on 1" or 10" centers.

Tip...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Fri, 09 May 2008 10:41:21 GMT

Since Harry was responding to my comment, let me state that I did not find his "graph paper and micrometer" to be anything other than a statement of fact. I read it as Harry saying that if one had the time and opportunity to measure the butt section of as many Payne rods as they could and graphed them, that they would show a straight line taper from the ferrule up to the swell in the butt. Did he mean that there were no variations at all? Probably not, but given that most parabolics...

Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (kmgunn) — Fri, 09 May 2008 10:12:13 GMT

Harry- Somehow the " a little time with graph paper and a micrometer" sounds a bit condescending. I am not sure if you meant it that way, but I don't think its the spirit of this discussion. I also don't believe it's accurate to say that Paynes of "every era and every ilk" are "nearly exactly straight". As I mentioned, I sat with Dave Decker (who worked at Payne) and went over a Parabolic whose taper was markedly not nearly exactly straight.
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Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (canerodscom) — Fri, 09 May 2008 08:51:58 GMT

mer,

Steel planing forms work well with stations as close as 2.5". Some commercially available forms have adjustment screws every 2.5" on one end to accomodate placement of swells. They might work closer than that, but again, I'm not sure that working closer is necessary. (see #'s above) Besides, I don't want to make clones anyway. None of the rods I make is an exact copy of someone else's taper, or cosmetics. It's fun to think for one's self.
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Re: Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Fri, 09 May 2008 07:16:49 GMT

Thanks for posting that Harry, interesting fuel for the fire.

I think Kirt may be onto something; it all depends on the rod. If one were to design a straight line taper rod (Howell?) it shouldn't make a difference if you made it on 1 inch stations or 12 inch stations as long as the forms were capable of holding the slope between the stations. Having 1 inch stations allows for greater tweaking, if desired. I imagine that depending on the material you made planing forms out of...

Favorite Payne Rod(s)

feeds@yuku.com (Pentalux) — Mon, 05 May 2008 10:45:28 GMT

Hello to all - Would very much like to hear which original Payne model or models everyone most prefers. I have only cast and/or fished with about five or six of them but found that two were instantly noted as amazing - to me at least - with the others less so - again to me at least - curious what the consistently top models are considered to be by those who have cast or owned them.

Also curious which model might perhaps be considered the all around hallmark taper for Payne - Is...